. or when you say, "hail mary mother of god" in the catholic religion. it was a means of going inside of yourself to find the strength within to deal with the outside world. one of my mentors was bill kunseler. there was one scene he told me about when he was in birmingham where he was representing dr. martin luther king. and they had come from a demonstration or rally, and king had been told that there were men looking to kill him that night. and they drove up to a house, and bill and king were staying in the house together with a group of other people. bill told the story that people were petrified that night. i mean, they thought that the house was going to be bombed, and they darkened the house so there were no lights at all. and he was afraid for his life. and king must have sensed this fear in the room. and he walked over to a piano and started to play "this little light of mine," and the whole group just started to sing this song, and they sang songs all through the night. and bill said at the end of this time, it was like there was nothing to be afraid of. i mean, he hi

dismissed out of hand. you would not dismiss religion out of hand. religion has nothing to do with science, but it is something people believe very deeply. you have scientists arguing that the foods are safe and acceptable. on the other hand, you have people arguing on other grounds that even if the foods are safe -- and they are not willing to accept that they are -- but even if the foods are safe, they are not acceptable on other grounds. these two points of view go past each other with no meeting of the minds whatsoever. the academy was giving a vote to science-based look into genetically modified foods to say they are ok. other people would argue differently. would think labeling solve a lot of these problems than they should have been labeled from the beginning. let me say one other thing about that. the first company that was going to develop a genetically modified food was working on a gmo tomato. i have in my files at nyu copies of the label they intended to use on those products. a great big tomato with genetic modifications was right on the front saying this is the pride

religion against their to actually have a nuclear weapon. it's not like there hasn't been a debate within iran itself in regards to nuclear weapons program. it's not like all of iranians have said they want to move forward with nuclear weapons. they have been divided with their own society. they have that constant debate themselves. i think the iranian people made a choice when they decided to elect a more moderate president this time than they had previously. and so part of the voices of the tonian people are starting stare up also. they want to -- my hope is, and we will see whether or not they abide by the agreement and move forward, but my hope is that they would want to be a part of the international community. they cannot be part of the international community if in fact they have a nuclear weapon. as i said, it is important that russia and china has a stake in is also because here are individual countries who previously had not had a stake in this. important for them to have this p5+1 come together. if iran really wants to get back to the international committee, they know t

deceiving us. and totally -- their whole idea through their religion is to destroy us. host: we will have you respond to that. negotiating in a religious way? guest: he is right to a great extent. we arenians have said the great evil and they're going to wipe israel off the face of the earth. in the middle eastern culture, it is looked upon with high regard to get the best deal possible no matter what it takes, that includes lying. that is one reason the gulf states like to work with the u.s., because we are honest and transparent. they like doing business with us as opposed to their partners or even the communist chinese. they like doing business with people that are honest and transparent. that is an underpinning to these negotiations. once again, if you are willing to blow yourself up and commit suicide in order to blow up other people, you are not a rational person. up other people, you are not a rational person. that is to you are dealing with when you are dealing with uranian's. host: -- iranians. host: you are saying that all middle eastern countries are this way? part of the middl